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		<title>By: perkl8</title>
		<link>http://www.lesbiandad.net/2009/09/lest-the-battle-lines-and-magnitude-be-not-clearly-drawn/comment-page-1/#comment-458677</link>
		<dc:creator>perkl8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for posting phone numbers and websites so we can do something! Every other social worker I know is a lesbian! Surely the NASW can respond to this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting phone numbers and websites so we can do something! Every other social worker I know is a lesbian! Surely the NASW can respond to this.</p>
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		<title>By: hatched by two chicks</title>
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		<dc:creator>hatched by two chicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again I wouldn&#039;t have known if you hadn&#039;t posted.  Enormous gratitude for you, deep sadness for Janice and her dear family.  What a sobering reminder of what life is like outside my Massachusetts bubble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again I wouldn&#8217;t have known if you hadn&#8217;t posted.  Enormous gratitude for you, deep sadness for Janice and her dear family.  What a sobering reminder of what life is like outside my Massachusetts bubble.</p>
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		<title>By: SJnky</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJnky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting that story--I linked to you on my blog.  The whole thing makes my stomach drop to think of, and as you said, we have our work cut out for us.  I&#039;m glad we can form pockets of connections, and share stories, so that work can continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting that story&#8211;I linked to you on my blog.  The whole thing makes my stomach drop to think of, and as you said, we have our work cut out for us.  I&#8217;m glad we can form pockets of connections, and share stories, so that work can continue.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesbian Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lesbian Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Story hits the NYT: &lt;a href=&quot;http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/no-visiting-rights-for-hospital-patients/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;No Visiting Rights for Hospital Trauma Patients&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, by Tara Parker-Pope in today&#039;s (30 Sept 09) &lt;i&gt;Times&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Story hits the NYT: <a href="http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/no-visiting-rights-for-hospital-patients/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;No Visiting Rights for Hospital Trauma Patients&#8221;</a>, by Tara Parker-Pope in today&#8217;s (30 Sept 09) <i>Times</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesbian Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lesbian Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O sister o sister o sister. Bless you. I am a quasi-ecumenical agnostic Buddhist, but bless you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O sister o sister o sister. Bless you. I am a quasi-ecumenical agnostic Buddhist, but bless you.</p>
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		<title>By: dimplecheek</title>
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		<dc:creator>dimplecheek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my. My heart and my stomach hurt so much. This family is within 100 miles of me and my family. The hatred they experienced is unimaginable and the fact that they are so close to me seems to just make it more real in my mind. How can people turn a blind eye to this? 

I am volunteering for Referendum 71. I am signing up today. I have never heard about this until I read it on your blog. News like this is not widespread to Washingtonians unless they live in the Seattle area. I have a big mouth and maybe I use it for some good for a change. God knows we need a change.

Thank you for posting this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my. My heart and my stomach hurt so much. This family is within 100 miles of me and my family. The hatred they experienced is unimaginable and the fact that they are so close to me seems to just make it more real in my mind. How can people turn a blind eye to this? </p>
<p>I am volunteering for Referendum 71. I am signing up today. I have never heard about this until I read it on your blog. News like this is not widespread to Washingtonians unless they live in the Seattle area. I have a big mouth and maybe I use it for some good for a change. God knows we need a change.</p>
<p>Thank you for posting this.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesbian Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lesbian Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am posting wholesale Janice Langbehn&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://thelpkids.com/2009/09/30/how-to-channel-anger/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;post from this morning on her family&#039;s blog&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;:


&lt;blockquote&gt;I have received email after email overnight from people I donâ€™t even know wanting to know what they could do.

First â€“ I still am awaiting an apology from Garnett Frederick the phD social worker who to said to me â€œanti-gay, city and stateâ€ he denies saying it but God, he and I know he said that to me â€“ as well as many, many close friends and families â€“ knows he said it because it was the first words out of my mouth when I reached them by phone.  As far as I know he has never been sanctioned or disciplined for this hateful comments.  He still works as a medical Social Worker at Jackson Memorial Hospital â€“ Ryder Trauma Center:  the information is on their web page :



&lt;blockquote&gt;Patient Relations
If you or a friend/family member are a current or former patient of Jackson Health System and have questions or comments concerning the care received or the overall experience at a Jackson facility, please contact Patient Relations at 305-585-7341. website for  Jackson Memorial is:  http://www.jhsmiami.org/&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Be forwarded [typo: forewarned?] that I filed an official complaint on their website about &lt;strong&gt;2.5 weeks&lt;/strong&gt; after lisaâ€™s death â€“ after her two funerals â€“ and it was lost â€“ finaly found â€“ 4 months later and was &lt;strong&gt;NEVER&lt;/strong&gt; addressed.  So you may need to be persistant.

Then there is the governing body for Social Workers â€“ Nat. Assoc. Social Workers (NASW) â€“ their Ethics and Professional Standards: http://www.socialworkers.org/nasw/ethics/default.asp

And finally the Jt. Commission that accredites Hospitals and like facilities.  http://www.jointcommission.org/
And finally â€“ there is the Florida Governor and Legislature â€“ that there are no laws to protect family in their most vulnerable time, is unconscionable.  Here is the site for Govenor Christâ€™s site: http://www.flgov.com/

For me I need to still sit with this setback and help the children understand who continue to ask question and are as shell-shocked as I am.  Thank you all for your support â€“ my only hope continues to be that this doesnâ€™t happen to another family â€“ regardless of how you define yourselves.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am posting wholesale Janice Langbehn&#8217;s <a href="http://thelpkids.com/2009/09/30/how-to-channel-anger/" rel="nofollow"><strong>post from this morning on her family&#8217;s blog</strong></a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I have received email after email overnight from people I donâ€™t even know wanting to know what they could do.</p>
<p>First â€“ I still am awaiting an apology from Garnett Frederick the phD social worker who to said to me â€œanti-gay, city and stateâ€ he denies saying it but God, he and I know he said that to me â€“ as well as many, many close friends and families â€“ knows he said it because it was the first words out of my mouth when I reached them by phone.  As far as I know he has never been sanctioned or disciplined for this hateful comments.  He still works as a medical Social Worker at Jackson Memorial Hospital â€“ Ryder Trauma Center:  the information is on their web page :</p>
<blockquote><p>Patient Relations<br />
If you or a friend/family member are a current or former patient of Jackson Health System and have questions or comments concerning the care received or the overall experience at a Jackson facility, please contact Patient Relations at 305-585-7341. website for  Jackson Memorial is:  <a href="http://www.jhsmiami.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.jhsmiami.org/</a></p></blockquote>
<p>Be forwarded [typo: forewarned?] that I filed an official complaint on their website about <strong>2.5 weeks</strong> after lisaâ€™s death â€“ after her two funerals â€“ and it was lost â€“ finaly found â€“ 4 months later and was <strong>NEVER</strong> addressed.  So you may need to be persistant.</p>
<p>Then there is the governing body for Social Workers â€“ Nat. Assoc. Social Workers (NASW) â€“ their Ethics and Professional Standards: <a href="http://www.socialworkers.org/nasw/ethics/default.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.socialworkers.org/nasw/ethics/default.asp</a></p>
<p>And finally the Jt. Commission that accredites Hospitals and like facilities.  <a href="http://www.jointcommission.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.jointcommission.org/</a><br />
And finally â€“ there is the Florida Governor and Legislature â€“ that there are no laws to protect family in their most vulnerable time, is unconscionable.  Here is the site for Govenor Christâ€™s site: <a href="http://www.flgov.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flgov.com/</a></p>
<p>For me I need to still sit with this setback and help the children understand who continue to ask question and are as shell-shocked as I am.  Thank you all for your support â€“ my only hope continues to be that this doesnâ€™t happen to another family â€“ regardless of how you define yourselves.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Lesbian Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lesbian Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And really we couldn&#039;t get a more stark reminder of the fact that this cruelty -- the legal sanction for it -- is the RULE, not the exception in this nation. Their kids sat in that waiting room, for eight hours, knowing their mother was dying, watching other families go in and out visiting their loved ones? Could have been languishing in all but about a dozen states of this nation.

Take home lesson? All the Advanced Health Care directives (a&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nclrights.org/site/PageServer?pagename=press_fresnohospitalbarspartner061509&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nother recent CA case here&lt;/a&gt;) and Registered Domestic Partnerships and even pleas from 9 year old girls from their hospital beds (sounds extreme? nope: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nclrights.org/site/PageServer?pagename=issue_caseDocket_jones_v_sanjoaquin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;happened in California, recently&lt;/a&gt;) cannot and will not erode the homophobia of individuals who KNOW there is a legally-sanctioned, &quot;separate&quot; status to our families. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=8565&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bipartisan New Jersey commission that studied this&lt;/a&gt; confirmed: separate actually ENSURES there will be no equal. Their words:

&lt;blockquote&gt;This commission finds that the separate categorization established by the Civil Union Act invites and encourages unequal treatment of same-sex couples and their children.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because when it comes down to a moment of crisis, it is not what&#039;s on the books somewhere in the statehouse that makes the difference, but what&#039;s in the heart of the individual. 

We have our work cut out for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And really we couldn&#8217;t get a more stark reminder of the fact that this cruelty &#8212; the legal sanction for it &#8212; is the RULE, not the exception in this nation. Their kids sat in that waiting room, for eight hours, knowing their mother was dying, watching other families go in and out visiting their loved ones? Could have been languishing in all but about a dozen states of this nation.</p>
<p>Take home lesson? All the Advanced Health Care directives (a<a href="http://www.nclrights.org/site/PageServer?pagename=press_fresnohospitalbarspartner061509" rel="nofollow">nother recent CA case here</a>) and Registered Domestic Partnerships and even pleas from 9 year old girls from their hospital beds (sounds extreme? nope: <a href="http://www.nclrights.org/site/PageServer?pagename=issue_caseDocket_jones_v_sanjoaquin" rel="nofollow">happened in California, recently</a>) cannot and will not erode the homophobia of individuals who KNOW there is a legally-sanctioned, &#8220;separate&#8221; status to our families. The <a href="http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=8565" rel="nofollow">bipartisan New Jersey commission that studied this</a> confirmed: separate actually ENSURES there will be no equal. Their words:</p>
<blockquote><p>This commission finds that the separate categorization established by the Civil Union Act invites and encourages unequal treatment of same-sex couples and their children.</p></blockquote>
<p>Because when it comes down to a moment of crisis, it is not what&#8217;s on the books somewhere in the statehouse that makes the difference, but what&#8217;s in the heart of the individual. </p>
<p>We have our work cut out for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Vikki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m at a loss for words as I often am in the face of such outrageous cruelty. It&#039;s always shocking when hate erases basic human decency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m at a loss for words as I often am in the face of such outrageous cruelty. It&#8217;s always shocking when hate erases basic human decency.</p>
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