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	<description>notes from the crossroads of mother and father</description>
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		<title>By: annz</title>
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		<dc:creator>annz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, my friend, for this.  And thanks also to everyone else for your kind remarks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, my friend, for this.  And thanks also to everyone else for your kind remarks.</p>
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		<title>By: weese</title>
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		<dc:creator>weese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>peace.
my only words for you now.
peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>peace.<br />
my only words for you now.<br />
peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesbian Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lesbian Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes! My friend spent last night here telling us all about the weekend, and it included two major reunions there. Nancy went to Alfred, too, and her father is a fairly legendary (now emeritus) ceramics professor there. From her photographs and descriptions, it seemed indeed just as beautiful as you say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes! My friend spent last night here telling us all about the weekend, and it included two major reunions there. Nancy went to Alfred, too, and her father is a fairly legendary (now emeritus) ceramics professor there. From her photographs and descriptions, it seemed indeed just as beautiful as you say.</p>
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		<title>By: Vikki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so very sorry and know those words are truly insufficient. Sending love your way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so very sorry and know those words are truly insufficient. Sending love your way.</p>
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		<title>By: michaela</title>
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		<dc:creator>michaela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a wonderful, terrible story about finding the new/old love... and then losing one another once again. My heart aches for your dear friend -- and for you.

And, in a strange small-world coincidence, I went to college in Alfred, NY and in fact spent this past weekend with Alfred folks. Alfred is a truly lovely place in the summer, so I&#039;m sure it was a serene, leafy place for her memorial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a wonderful, terrible story about finding the new/old love&#8230; and then losing one another once again. My heart aches for your dear friend &#8212; and for you.</p>
<p>And, in a strange small-world coincidence, I went to college in Alfred, NY and in fact spent this past weekend with Alfred folks. Alfred is a truly lovely place in the summer, so I&#8217;m sure it was a serene, leafy place for her memorial.</p>
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		<title>By: cardamom</title>
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		<dc:creator>cardamom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a wise boy, that Seth! Thank you very much for your long and detailed answer. Yes, it is a difficult balance to strike sometimes - protecting your kids from the adult feelings (grief, in this case) and still be authentic. We sometimes forget how scary powerful emotions can be. Kids do have a more natural way of integrating the various stages of being. One day, C. said something to the effect of &quot;We have three lives, don&#039;t we? One in the belly, one on earth, and one in the ground.&quot; And when I regretted that my mother and our friend could not be there when she started school last fall, she just said, but they are here with us, and pointed to the sky and to my heart. It is me holding on to this life in the flesh! But then it was me, too, who suggested that our loved ones aren&#039;t dead as long as they&#039;re not forgotten ... Still, I wish we&#039;d have had more of a reprieve. For my sake and especially for hers.
I feel with you, and thank you again for sharing your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a wise boy, that Seth! Thank you very much for your long and detailed answer. Yes, it is a difficult balance to strike sometimes &#8211; protecting your kids from the adult feelings (grief, in this case) and still be authentic. We sometimes forget how scary powerful emotions can be. Kids do have a more natural way of integrating the various stages of being. One day, C. said something to the effect of &#8220;We have three lives, don&#8217;t we? One in the belly, one on earth, and one in the ground.&#8221; And when I regretted that my mother and our friend could not be there when she started school last fall, she just said, but they are here with us, and pointed to the sky and to my heart. It is me holding on to this life in the flesh! But then it was me, too, who suggested that our loved ones aren&#8217;t dead as long as they&#8217;re not forgotten &#8230; Still, I wish we&#8217;d have had more of a reprieve. For my sake and especially for hers.<br />
I feel with you, and thank you again for sharing your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesbian Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lesbian Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, &lt;strong&gt;Jennifer PM&lt;/strong&gt;. That is a huge, vast, enormous gulf of a place, that &quot;might have been.&quot;

O, &lt;strong&gt;cardamom&lt;/strong&gt;, please accept my sympathies for such loss! Losing him, so very soon after losing your mother. I can&#039;t imagine.  After my mother died, the pain was so acute that I asked the dieties for a ten-year reprieve on loss, and for whatever reason (chance?) I got it. Thereafter it&#039;s been a bumpy ride, but that ten years&#039; quiet was very, very much appreciated.

As to our kids: you know, it&#039;s tough to tell how they&#039;re dealing with it. The littlest, 2.5 yrs old, tracks some things but not others. He&#039;s very sensitive to the feelings themselves, but more in a kind of magnetic/empathetic way. In other words when we&#039;re upset, he sucks it up and then gets upset himself.  The older one, the girlie, now 4.5 yrs old (she actually insists it&#039;s noted at 4 &amp; 2/3, since she knows that&#039;s older than 4.5) gets very quiet and turns inward to herself, often reading or singing to herself elsewhere in the same room.  She&#039;s still there, but somewhere safer for her.  I can&#039;t tell you how poignant &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; is.  

She knows Baba to be a person who has sadness in her, and she will from time to time simply come over and put her fingers at the edges of my mouth and push it upward. Which, amazingly, works. 

My partner is very sensitive to our overexposing our kids to adult feelings, or adult vulnerability when it feels like they&#039;re too young, mostly because of what she grew up with (suffice to say: lots of both, to her mind, way too much).  So we probably err on the overcautious side. On the other hand (so many hands here we&#039;re like an Indian god), on the other hand, I often bring into speech the several (now, seemingly many) important dead people in our lives.  I want the kids to know that people not here physically are still here emotionally, or have left a lasting emotional presence in those of us who continue to love them and think about them.  Both my kids can name their eldest cousin Erik in photos, can pick out which toys or which clothes were his, even though Erik died before our daughter was six months old. &lt;em&gt;He&lt;/em&gt; knew &lt;em&gt;her&lt;/em&gt;, is the point, and she knows that he knew her. 

I can imagine the painfulness of feeling sorrow for these losses, and then seeing your daughter watchful for the signs of it, and redirecting whatever she would feel.  What a very very hard place to be. I&#039;ve got to hope that her own feelings are somewhere, and will find their path outward at her own pace and in her own way? One never knows.  The day after my nephew Erik died, his younger brother Patrick (then eight) and Erik&#039;s best friend Seth (then nine, my sister&#039;s best friend&#039;s son) were playing in the back yard.  It was an elaborate role-play, where Patrick was a prince or something, and Seth was a dark knight, whose mission it was to protect Patrick from a constantly recurring threat of some sort. They played all day like this. Later when his mother asked Seth how he was feeling, he said something to the effect of, &quot;Mom, when grownups feel sad, they get it out by crying and talking. Kids are different. We play it out.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, <strong>Jennifer PM</strong>. That is a huge, vast, enormous gulf of a place, that &#8220;might have been.&#8221;</p>
<p>O, <strong>cardamom</strong>, please accept my sympathies for such loss! Losing him, so very soon after losing your mother. I can&#8217;t imagine.  After my mother died, the pain was so acute that I asked the dieties for a ten-year reprieve on loss, and for whatever reason (chance?) I got it. Thereafter it&#8217;s been a bumpy ride, but that ten years&#8217; quiet was very, very much appreciated.</p>
<p>As to our kids: you know, it&#8217;s tough to tell how they&#8217;re dealing with it. The littlest, 2.5 yrs old, tracks some things but not others. He&#8217;s very sensitive to the feelings themselves, but more in a kind of magnetic/empathetic way. In other words when we&#8217;re upset, he sucks it up and then gets upset himself.  The older one, the girlie, now 4.5 yrs old (she actually insists it&#8217;s noted at 4 &#038; 2/3, since she knows that&#8217;s older than 4.5) gets very quiet and turns inward to herself, often reading or singing to herself elsewhere in the same room.  She&#8217;s still there, but somewhere safer for her.  I can&#8217;t tell you how poignant <em>that</em> is.  </p>
<p>She knows Baba to be a person who has sadness in her, and she will from time to time simply come over and put her fingers at the edges of my mouth and push it upward. Which, amazingly, works. </p>
<p>My partner is very sensitive to our overexposing our kids to adult feelings, or adult vulnerability when it feels like they&#8217;re too young, mostly because of what she grew up with (suffice to say: lots of both, to her mind, way too much).  So we probably err on the overcautious side. On the other hand (so many hands here we&#8217;re like an Indian god), on the other hand, I often bring into speech the several (now, seemingly many) important dead people in our lives.  I want the kids to know that people not here physically are still here emotionally, or have left a lasting emotional presence in those of us who continue to love them and think about them.  Both my kids can name their eldest cousin Erik in photos, can pick out which toys or which clothes were his, even though Erik died before our daughter was six months old. <em>He</em> knew <em>her</em>, is the point, and she knows that he knew her. </p>
<p>I can imagine the painfulness of feeling sorrow for these losses, and then seeing your daughter watchful for the signs of it, and redirecting whatever she would feel.  What a very very hard place to be. I&#8217;ve got to hope that her own feelings are somewhere, and will find their path outward at her own pace and in her own way? One never knows.  The day after my nephew Erik died, his younger brother Patrick (then eight) and Erik&#8217;s best friend Seth (then nine, my sister&#8217;s best friend&#8217;s son) were playing in the back yard.  It was an elaborate role-play, where Patrick was a prince or something, and Seth was a dark knight, whose mission it was to protect Patrick from a constantly recurring threat of some sort. They played all day like this. Later when his mother asked Seth how he was feeling, he said something to the effect of, &#8220;Mom, when grownups feel sad, they get it out by crying and talking. Kids are different. We play it out.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: cardamom</title>
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		<dc:creator>cardamom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it does happen that a heart stops all of a sudden, out of the blue. We lost our best male friend like that last year, also the most important man in our 6 year old daughter&#039;s life. Only six months after I lost my mother. I wonder how your kids deal with your grief. Our daughter is quite freaked out by it. She actually reacted to news of his sudden passing with &quot;But that&#039;s no reason to cry!&quot; - a phrase I swear to whatever powers she never got to hear from us, about anything. I tried to tell her calmly that yes, it is a reason to cry if ever there was one, and that I was still her strong mama and going to protect her even though I was sad. But every time his name gets mentioned she eyes us suspiciously to see if tears well up. It seems to threaten her a lot and prevent her to be able to feel the loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it does happen that a heart stops all of a sudden, out of the blue. We lost our best male friend like that last year, also the most important man in our 6 year old daughter&#8217;s life. Only six months after I lost my mother. I wonder how your kids deal with your grief. Our daughter is quite freaked out by it. She actually reacted to news of his sudden passing with &#8220;But that&#8217;s no reason to cry!&#8221; &#8211; a phrase I swear to whatever powers she never got to hear from us, about anything. I tried to tell her calmly that yes, it is a reason to cry if ever there was one, and that I was still her strong mama and going to protect her even though I was sad. But every time his name gets mentioned she eyes us suspiciously to see if tears well up. It seems to threaten her a lot and prevent her to be able to feel the loss.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer PM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer PM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 05:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a remarkable story. I am so sorry for your loss, and for what might have been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a remarkable story. I am so sorry for your loss, and for what might have been.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesbian Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lesbian Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 03:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone&#039;s life called out to be celebrated, and if anyone&#039;s life-force called out to be emulated, it would be hers.  That&#039;s what I try to keep my eye fixed on. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone&#8217;s life called out to be celebrated, and if anyone&#8217;s life-force called out to be emulated, it would be hers.  That&#8217;s what I try to keep my eye fixed on. Thank you.</p>
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