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		<title>By: wyliekat</title>
		<link>http://www.lesbiandad.net/2009/03/myth-busting-study-released/comment-page-1/#comment-382884</link>
		<dc:creator>wyliekat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that there&#039;s an accepted wisdom (though I do so loathe to refer to it in this way) that says there must always be poor, just as there must always be rich - at least that&#039;s the case in our current economic and political structure. 

And most people don&#039;t really care who&#039;s at the bottom of the barrel, so long as it&#039;s not them. It&#039;s the same old NIMBY refrain, over and over again. 

Maybe it&#039;s too much to expect that humanity will overcome the greed and tendency towards lack of empathy that are inherent in our nature?

But you&#039;re quite right - if a study like this opens up the potential for support of LGBT rights in new areas (like anti-poverty activism) that may be a good thing. Allies are always helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that there&#8217;s an accepted wisdom (though I do so loathe to refer to it in this way) that says there must always be poor, just as there must always be rich &#8211; at least that&#8217;s the case in our current economic and political structure. </p>
<p>And most people don&#8217;t really care who&#8217;s at the bottom of the barrel, so long as it&#8217;s not them. It&#8217;s the same old NIMBY refrain, over and over again. </p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s too much to expect that humanity will overcome the greed and tendency towards lack of empathy that are inherent in our nature?</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re quite right &#8211; if a study like this opens up the potential for support of LGBT rights in new areas (like anti-poverty activism) that may be a good thing. Allies are always helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesbian Dad</title>
		<link>http://www.lesbiandad.net/2009/03/myth-busting-study-released/comment-page-1/#comment-382202</link>
		<dc:creator>Lesbian Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As if they need one more excuse.

I know what it&#039;s like to do a second parent adoption at least (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/reports/issue_maps/2nd_parent_adoption_11_08_color.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;checkered NGLTF map of who else can&lt;/a&gt;), and there&#039;s already a ton of stuff in place to determine whether the home is &quot;adequate&quot; (including home visit by social worker to see the place the kid has already been thriving in since birth, etc.; affidavits by others as to one&#039;s capacities as parent; &quot;enough&quot; income to provide for the kid is included, for sure -- I think we even had to submit tax returns? or at least list our annual combined income? that part worried me, since it is under that considered necessary or optimum -- for middle class people, at least -- to raise kids in the Bay Area).  

Anyway, folks who know more about the politics of adoptions could probably speak to this more, but I suspect that&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/reports/issue_maps/adoption_laws_11_08_color.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; where it&#039;s even possible for LGBT people to adopt&lt;/a&gt;, income-based bias already pertains, and that anything that might compound this (like the fact that the parents are same-sex or that a single parent is lesbian or gay) is already a demonstrable strain.

That said, I think you&#039;re right: it would be perfectly like the religious right&#039;s machine-like opposition to gay people that they would use this study against us. And I would also hope that advocates of greater family protections and more civil rights would be able to use a venal attack like this (were it to happen) to argue the justness of broader supports. I would hope that if low income people began to be discriminated against in a whole new way, that organizers and activists and people of conscience would step up.  While there hasn&#039;t been much support for class-conscious organizing in the Regan-Bush/Bush years, the rise of populist anger we&#039;re seeing now might revive something.  Who has the stomach for attacking the &quot;have-nots&quot; when the unchecked greed of a bunch of the &quot;haves&quot; has driven the economy over the cliff? I&#039;m hoping fewer and fewer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As if they need one more excuse.</p>
<p>I know what it&#8217;s like to do a second parent adoption at least (<a href="http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/reports/issue_maps/2nd_parent_adoption_11_08_color.pdf" rel="nofollow">checkered NGLTF map of who else can</a>), and there&#8217;s already a ton of stuff in place to determine whether the home is &#8220;adequate&#8221; (including home visit by social worker to see the place the kid has already been thriving in since birth, etc.; affidavits by others as to one&#8217;s capacities as parent; &#8220;enough&#8221; income to provide for the kid is included, for sure &#8212; I think we even had to submit tax returns? or at least list our annual combined income? that part worried me, since it is under that considered necessary or optimum &#8212; for middle class people, at least &#8212; to raise kids in the Bay Area).  </p>
<p>Anyway, folks who know more about the politics of adoptions could probably speak to this more, but I suspect that<a href="http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/reports/issue_maps/adoption_laws_11_08_color.pdf" rel="nofollow"> where it&#8217;s even possible for LGBT people to adopt</a>, income-based bias already pertains, and that anything that might compound this (like the fact that the parents are same-sex or that a single parent is lesbian or gay) is already a demonstrable strain.</p>
<p>That said, I think you&#8217;re right: it would be perfectly like the religious right&#8217;s machine-like opposition to gay people that they would use this study against us. And I would also hope that advocates of greater family protections and more civil rights would be able to use a venal attack like this (were it to happen) to argue the justness of broader supports. I would hope that if low income people began to be discriminated against in a whole new way, that organizers and activists and people of conscience would step up.  While there hasn&#8217;t been much support for class-conscious organizing in the Regan-Bush/Bush years, the rise of populist anger we&#8217;re seeing now might revive something.  Who has the stomach for attacking the &#8220;have-nots&#8221; when the unchecked greed of a bunch of the &#8220;haves&#8221; has driven the economy over the cliff? I&#8217;m hoping fewer and fewer.</p>
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		<title>By: wyliekat</title>
		<link>http://www.lesbiandad.net/2009/03/myth-busting-study-released/comment-page-1/#comment-382133</link>
		<dc:creator>wyliekat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, I&#039;d worry that the religious right would use this as an excuse to prevent lesbian couples from adopting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, I&#8217;d worry that the religious right would use this as an excuse to prevent lesbian couples from adopting.</p>
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