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	<description>notes from the crossroads of mother and father</description>
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		<title>By: Lesbian Dad</title>
		<link>http://www.lesbiandad.net/2008/12/et-tu-barry/comment-page-1/#comment-308840</link>
		<dc:creator>Lesbian Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, &lt;b&gt;dimplecheek&lt;/b&gt;, and likewise &lt;b&gt;bridge&lt;/b&gt; (and welcome!).

I really appreciate your words, especially since it has been so hard to be able to deeply experience the quotidian family details while under this period of direct siege.  So.  Damn.  Hard.  I can&#039;t begin to count the essays that I&#039;ve half-written in my head, only to have had them be drowned out by yet another pressing attack.  That the attacks have successfully pressed their way in on me (and ironed flat the other stories) says as much about me, of course, as it says about the nature or degree of viciousness of the attacks.  But there you go.

Thank you for the encouragement to keep trying to bear the witness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, <b>dimplecheek</b>, and likewise <b>bridge</b> (and welcome!).</p>
<p>I really appreciate your words, especially since it has been so hard to be able to deeply experience the quotidian family details while under this period of direct siege.  So.  Damn.  Hard.  I can&#8217;t begin to count the essays that I&#8217;ve half-written in my head, only to have had them be drowned out by yet another pressing attack.  That the attacks have successfully pressed their way in on me (and ironed flat the other stories) says as much about me, of course, as it says about the nature or degree of viciousness of the attacks.  But there you go.</p>
<p>Thank you for the encouragement to keep trying to bear the witness.</p>
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		<title>By: dimplecheek</title>
		<link>http://www.lesbiandad.net/2008/12/et-tu-barry/comment-page-1/#comment-308795</link>
		<dc:creator>dimplecheek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see other parents struggling with illness and the failing economy. I cannot imagine having to deal with the everyday issues as well as having the very foundation of my family being compared to sleeping with a cat.
Please keep writing about family, parenting and love. The more people that see how a real family looks, gay or straight, the better. So many of my neighbors and co-workers think gay marriage only involves the big man in drag leading the annual parade. ( I apologize on behalf of heterosexuals everywhere.)
Even if you have to write covered in shite sometimes, I will be here reading and listening. Your words inspire me, and I know others. Here&#039;s hoping all the love and compassion I feel have been conveyed, as it was written 3 times, while playing rocket with a 3 year old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see other parents struggling with illness and the failing economy. I cannot imagine having to deal with the everyday issues as well as having the very foundation of my family being compared to sleeping with a cat.<br />
Please keep writing about family, parenting and love. The more people that see how a real family looks, gay or straight, the better. So many of my neighbors and co-workers think gay marriage only involves the big man in drag leading the annual parade. ( I apologize on behalf of heterosexuals everywhere.)<br />
Even if you have to write covered in shite sometimes, I will be here reading and listening. Your words inspire me, and I know others. Here&#8217;s hoping all the love and compassion I feel have been conveyed, as it was written 3 times, while playing rocket with a 3 year old.</p>
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		<title>By: bridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>bridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. Coming out of lurking to comment on this. Just know that this has become an important issue to me. Marriage is a right and should not be dictated by religious bigotry. To equate marriage between adults who love one another and are making a commitment  with the circumstances Mr. Warren has is wrong. I was, am and continue to be supportive of our new president but do not support such ideas. I wish he would make a different choice, but hope we can stay unified in the long run. I love your blog, thanks for your words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. Coming out of lurking to comment on this. Just know that this has become an important issue to me. Marriage is a right and should not be dictated by religious bigotry. To equate marriage between adults who love one another and are making a commitment  with the circumstances Mr. Warren has is wrong. I was, am and continue to be supportive of our new president but do not support such ideas. I wish he would make a different choice, but hope we can stay unified in the long run. I love your blog, thanks for your words.</p>
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		<title>By: LookyDaddy</title>
		<link>http://www.lesbiandad.net/2008/12/et-tu-barry/comment-page-1/#comment-308132</link>
		<dc:creator>LookyDaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Hello, Kitty toaster is appropriate for any occasion. And by occasion, I mean bonfire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Hello, Kitty toaster is appropriate for any occasion. And by occasion, I mean bonfire.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesbian Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lesbian Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bops two birds w/  one gift-giving stone?  Maybe?  Maybe not?

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.slipperybrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/hello-kitty-toaster.jpg&quot; width =&quot;300&quot; height=&quot;300&quot;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bops two birds w/  one gift-giving stone?  Maybe?  Maybe not?</p>
<p><img src="http://www.slipperybrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/hello-kitty-toaster.jpg" width ="300" height="300"/></p>
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		<title>By: LookyDaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>LookyDaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JenRink: PetsMart. And JC Penney&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JenRink: PetsMart. And JC Penney&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: JenRink</title>
		<link>http://www.lesbiandad.net/2008/12/et-tu-barry/comment-page-1/#comment-308090</link>
		<dc:creator>JenRink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve waited to comment because for some reason only my middle fingers work when I think about this.  It just sucks.  I&#039;m glad that folks seem to be running with it, and many seem to &quot;get&quot; why this is a bad call.  

For me, it&#039;s not just the gay issue...it&#039;s that I am so tired of having my faith defined by the evangelical right.  I understand inclusion, but the evangelical right is already included plenty--disproportionately so--I thought that inclusion was about including those not at the table.  Maybe we can take a bit of symbolic relief in the fact that Warren goes on first and Rev. Lowery goes on last--out with the old, in with the new!

At any rate, my Christmas has been saved by LookyDaddy&#039;s engagement and I look forward to hearing where he and his cat are resgistered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve waited to comment because for some reason only my middle fingers work when I think about this.  It just sucks.  I&#8217;m glad that folks seem to be running with it, and many seem to &#8220;get&#8221; why this is a bad call.  </p>
<p>For me, it&#8217;s not just the gay issue&#8230;it&#8217;s that I am so tired of having my faith defined by the evangelical right.  I understand inclusion, but the evangelical right is already included plenty&#8211;disproportionately so&#8211;I thought that inclusion was about including those not at the table.  Maybe we can take a bit of symbolic relief in the fact that Warren goes on first and Rev. Lowery goes on last&#8211;out with the old, in with the new!</p>
<p>At any rate, my Christmas has been saved by LookyDaddy&#8217;s engagement and I look forward to hearing where he and his cat are resgistered.</p>
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		<title>By: LookyDaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>LookyDaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, leave it to Warren to finally discern the reason I am supporting gay marriage: It&#039;s so I can marry my own kids. And my cats. And that little neighbor boy I see running around every once in a while. Damn his cleverness.

I heard Barney Frank say a wonderful comment on NPR the other day when Palin gave the same kind of &quot;but I&#039;m not homophobic because I have gay friends,&quot; justification for this crap. He said he had to hand it to her, because she was apparently more tolerant of him than he was of her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, leave it to Warren to finally discern the reason I am supporting gay marriage: It&#8217;s so I can marry my own kids. And my cats. And that little neighbor boy I see running around every once in a while. Damn his cleverness.</p>
<p>I heard Barney Frank say a wonderful comment on NPR the other day when Palin gave the same kind of &#8220;but I&#8217;m not homophobic because I have gay friends,&#8221; justification for this crap. He said he had to hand it to her, because she was apparently more tolerant of him than he was of her.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesbian Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lesbian Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And just to lodge it here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Lowery&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Reverend Joseph Lowery&lt;/a&gt;, who&#039;ll give the benediction,  deserves not to have been overshadowed by Warren.  I was honored to have met him way back when, as a campus anti-racist activist organizing a forum at he was keynote speaker.  His work on behalf of Black civil rights, against apartheid, and more is &lt;i&gt;exactly&lt;/i&gt; what Obama&#039;s campaign spoke to.  With one difference: Lowery is a strong supporter of same-sex marriage.  

Like Coretta Scott King, at whose funeral he received a standing ovation when he said this (h/t Oxdown Gazette, linked below):

&lt;blockquote&gt;On April 1, 1998 at The Palmer House Hilton in Chicago, King called on the civil rights community to join in the struggle against homophobia and anti-gay bias. &quot;Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood&quot;, King stated. &quot;This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As the &lt;a h ref=&quot;http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/2512&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Oxdown Gazette&lt;/a&gt; notes, Warren will be clearly out-classed by Rev. Lowery.  And Rev. Lowery, bless us, will have the last word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And just to lodge it here: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Lowery" rel="nofollow">Reverend Joseph Lowery</a>, who&#8217;ll give the benediction,  deserves not to have been overshadowed by Warren.  I was honored to have met him way back when, as a campus anti-racist activist organizing a forum at he was keynote speaker.  His work on behalf of Black civil rights, against apartheid, and more is <i>exactly</i> what Obama&#8217;s campaign spoke to.  With one difference: Lowery is a strong supporter of same-sex marriage.  </p>
<p>Like Coretta Scott King, at whose funeral he received a standing ovation when he said this (h/t Oxdown Gazette, linked below):</p>
<blockquote><p>On April 1, 1998 at The Palmer House Hilton in Chicago, King called on the civil rights community to join in the struggle against homophobia and anti-gay bias. &#8220;Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood&#8221;, King stated. &#8220;This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>As the <a h ref="http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/2512" rel="nofollow">Oxdown Gazette</a> notes, Warren will be clearly out-classed by Rev. Lowery.  And Rev. Lowery, bless us, will have the last word.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesbian Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lesbian Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Said my brother, in his letter to the Obama transition team&#039;s LGBTQ liaison:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Date: December 18,  2008
Subject: No Rick Warren, please

Dear  Parag,

I am opposed to inviting Rick Warren to participate in the 
inauguration.  Not because he supported an initiative I opposed, but 
because he has repeatedly equated homosexuality with pedophilia and 
incest.  If someone equated interracial marriage with bestiality they 
would not be welcome to speak at the inauguration and he should not be either.

I am a straight white man who gave multiple times to Obama in the 
primary and general.  I worked for Obama in three states, my wife worked in two and my nine year old son called all over the country for him.  We believe that Obama will help us all see our better selves.  We believe in reaching out and finding middle ground.  We do not believe in giving bigots a national platform.  Please help our President-elect reconsider this poor choice.

Thank you,

[actual name of LD&#039;s brother currently in law]
Berkeley, California&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Included here (a) for moral support, (b) as example, and (c) because poor Parag Mehta&#039;s email crashed under the siege today.  Or, it was actively de-activated.  This way at least somebody, if not an Obama transition/inaugural team member, can set eyes on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Said my brother, in his letter to the Obama transition team&#8217;s LGBTQ liaison:</p>
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Date: December 18,  2008<br />
Subject: No Rick Warren, please</p>
<p>Dear  Parag,</p>
<p>I am opposed to inviting Rick Warren to participate in the<br />
inauguration.  Not because he supported an initiative I opposed, but<br />
because he has repeatedly equated homosexuality with pedophilia and<br />
incest.  If someone equated interracial marriage with bestiality they<br />
would not be welcome to speak at the inauguration and he should not be either.</p>
<p>I am a straight white man who gave multiple times to Obama in the<br />
primary and general.  I worked for Obama in three states, my wife worked in two and my nine year old son called all over the country for him.  We believe that Obama will help us all see our better selves.  We believe in reaching out and finding middle ground.  We do not believe in giving bigots a national platform.  Please help our President-elect reconsider this poor choice.</p>
<p>Thank you,</p>
<p>[actual name of LD's brother currently in law]<br />
Berkeley, California</p></blockquote>
<p>Included here (a) for moral support, (b) as example, and (c) because poor Parag Mehta&#8217;s email crashed under the siege today.  Or, it was actively de-activated.  This way at least somebody, if not an Obama transition/inaugural team member, can set eyes on it.</p>
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