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		<title>By: Mr Lady</title>
		<link>http://www.lesbiandad.net/2008/11/denouement-forthcoming/comment-page-1/#comment-281043</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polly, I&#039;m just really sad you even had to choose.  I&#039;ve read your comments here (too many) times, and my temper has subsided.  A bit.  Not much.  But I&#039;m trying.

Maybe that&#039;s what&#039;s getting me, the heartbreak of it all.  On the heels of such an amazing day in our history, THIS happens?  Can we stand 200 more years before this brand of bigotry is mended?  I cannot imagine my great great great grandchildren having to still be fighting this fight.  I just can&#039;t.

It&#039;s all just so Shakespearian.  And my heart is broken for your family.  I&#039;d annull my marriage just to make a point, but I live in Canada.  They&#039;d be all, &quot;Um, so what?&quot;

Anyway, I&#039;m still writing my get back at those meanies post, I&#039;m just trying to take your lead is all.  Smooches to your family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polly, I&#8217;m just really sad you even had to choose.  I&#8217;ve read your comments here (too many) times, and my temper has subsided.  A bit.  Not much.  But I&#8217;m trying.</p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s what&#8217;s getting me, the heartbreak of it all.  On the heels of such an amazing day in our history, THIS happens?  Can we stand 200 more years before this brand of bigotry is mended?  I cannot imagine my great great great grandchildren having to still be fighting this fight.  I just can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all just so Shakespearian.  And my heart is broken for your family.  I&#8217;d annull my marriage just to make a point, but I live in Canada.  They&#8217;d be all, &#8220;Um, so what?&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m still writing my get back at those meanies post, I&#8217;m just trying to take your lead is all.  Smooches to your family.</p>
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		<title>By: SJnky</title>
		<link>http://www.lesbiandad.net/2008/11/denouement-forthcoming/comment-page-1/#comment-280969</link>
		<dc:creator>SJnky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mouth dropped open when I saw the results on wednesday, and I immediately thought of you.  I can&#039;t imagine how much mixed bitterness and joy with the Obama win, coupled with this setback, must hurt.  

Someone I know put it best when she said that someday, we&#039;ll look back at the way gay Americans are treated during this era and be incredulous about it.  Sort of a &quot;what the f*ck was THAT all about anyway?&quot; frame of mind. 

Man I can&#039;t wait to say that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mouth dropped open when I saw the results on wednesday, and I immediately thought of you.  I can&#8217;t imagine how much mixed bitterness and joy with the Obama win, coupled with this setback, must hurt.  </p>
<p>Someone I know put it best when she said that someday, we&#8217;ll look back at the way gay Americans are treated during this era and be incredulous about it.  Sort of a &#8220;what the f*ck was THAT all about anyway?&#8221; frame of mind. </p>
<p>Man I can&#8217;t wait to say that!</p>
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		<title>By: Lesbian Dad</title>
		<link>http://www.lesbiandad.net/2008/11/denouement-forthcoming/comment-page-1/#comment-280939</link>
		<dc:creator>Lesbian Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep.  Right in the solar plexus.  Can&#039;t breathe deeply without a pang.  Leastwise not yet.

I&#039;m glad the swearing-in of the new president is in late-January.  I expect by then I&#039;ll be able to feel that joy fully, and have digested what I&#039;ll have had to have digested about this very, very, &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; ugly battle.  I mean, some carful of bigots flipped off and cussed at my ten year old nephew when he stood on a street corner with a group of people calling for love.  Really.  

It&#039;s proved an enormous challenge to my more overarching desire to love all, regardless.  The only mitigation of the bitterness is that, if we had to choose (and dammit we shouldn&#039;t), it&#039;s better to have Obama in the White House and gay marriage set back than McCain in the White House and gay marriage victorious in CA (and AZ, and FL).

Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep.  Right in the solar plexus.  Can&#8217;t breathe deeply without a pang.  Leastwise not yet.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad the swearing-in of the new president is in late-January.  I expect by then I&#8217;ll be able to feel that joy fully, and have digested what I&#8217;ll have had to have digested about this very, very, <i>very</i> ugly battle.  I mean, some carful of bigots flipped off and cussed at my ten year old nephew when he stood on a street corner with a group of people calling for love.  Really.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s proved an enormous challenge to my more overarching desire to love all, regardless.  The only mitigation of the bitterness is that, if we had to choose (and dammit we shouldn&#8217;t), it&#8217;s better to have Obama in the White House and gay marriage set back than McCain in the White House and gay marriage victorious in CA (and AZ, and FL).</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: AllieGreenhouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>AllieGreenhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just sending you some solidarity from Brighton in the UK.  They can&#039;t define our relationships, only we can do that.  But can imagine the kick in the guts you&#039;re feeling there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just sending you some solidarity from Brighton in the UK.  They can&#8217;t define our relationships, only we can do that.  But can imagine the kick in the guts you&#8217;re feeling there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lesbian Dad</title>
		<link>http://www.lesbiandad.net/2008/11/denouement-forthcoming/comment-page-1/#comment-280899</link>
		<dc:creator>Lesbian Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erm, for a good tongue-lashing!

Because now, anger in the comments stream of LGBT blogs is being picked up and trumpeted as prosecutable &quot;hate crimes&quot;:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2008/11/surprise----mat.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Surprise -- Matt&#039;s rage is once again misplaced,&lt;/a&gt; at Good As You.

Follow the various links if you actually want to read what folks on the other side of this debate are saying.  My main goal for this nice little salon over here, aside from fostering an open-hearted venue for thoughtful and gracious reflection on matters feminist, progressive, and parental, is that it stay out of the searchlights of the Christian Right in its war on homosexuality.  I kind of feel like a carbon-based life-form hiding in plain view on a Borg ship or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erm, for a good tongue-lashing!</p>
<p>Because now, anger in the comments stream of LGBT blogs is being picked up and trumpeted as prosecutable &#8220;hate crimes&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2008/11/surprise----mat.html" rel="nofollow">Surprise &#8212; Matt&#8217;s rage is once again misplaced,</a> at Good As You.</p>
<p>Follow the various links if you actually want to read what folks on the other side of this debate are saying.  My main goal for this nice little salon over here, aside from fostering an open-hearted venue for thoughtful and gracious reflection on matters feminist, progressive, and parental, is that it stay out of the searchlights of the Christian Right in its war on homosexuality.  I kind of feel like a carbon-based life-form hiding in plain view on a Borg ship or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My hero, Audre Lorde, once said that you can never defend your city while shouting.  I have LIVED by those words.  I have made major life decisions based on that wisdom.  And today I say bollocks.  Tonight, I&#039;m going to start screaming.  And I might have to punch someone in the face.  I&#039;ve got 30 years of pent up aggression just waiting for the right fool to get in it&#039;s path.  

Christian Coalition, you&#039;re up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My hero, Audre Lorde, once said that you can never defend your city while shouting.  I have LIVED by those words.  I have made major life decisions based on that wisdom.  And today I say bollocks.  Tonight, I&#8217;m going to start screaming.  And I might have to punch someone in the face.  I&#8217;ve got 30 years of pent up aggression just waiting for the right fool to get in it&#8217;s path.  </p>
<p>Christian Coalition, you&#8217;re up.</p>
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		<title>By: tessita</title>
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		<dc:creator>tessita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;ve noticed the anger and feeling of betrayal seep into me as well - i don&#039;t feel that i welcomed those sentiments, but they&#039;re here, so i&#039;m trying to focus all of that as much as possible where it matters.  yesterday i was strolling downtown and felt a sea of resentment bubble up as i passed two women sitting on a bench, one very pregnant, shopping bags in hand - in the sliver of a moment i had formulated in my head identities and life paths for these two individuals of whom i know nothing - images of a heteronormative capitalist christmas was swirling in my head and i was about to continue on in, blind judgment in tow, until i heard one snippet of their conversation &quot;...i&#039;m effing pissed prop 8 passed, i just can&#039;t believe it.&quot; - &quot;me too,&quot; the other responded.  i felt embarrassed.  it was such an important reminder that couldn&#039;t have come too soon for me - this struggle won&#039;t be won by anger alone - though it definitely has its motivational forces when properly channeled.  now i have the job of transforming those feelings of betrayal into compassion and love - even for those who have yet to feel the same way towards me.  and hope.  after all, my peers (the younger voters) stood against prop 8 in resounding numbers - certainly reason enough to look forward - i&#039;m looking as far to the day when we will join to fight for trans rights and those of homeless queer youth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve noticed the anger and feeling of betrayal seep into me as well &#8211; i don&#8217;t feel that i welcomed those sentiments, but they&#8217;re here, so i&#8217;m trying to focus all of that as much as possible where it matters.  yesterday i was strolling downtown and felt a sea of resentment bubble up as i passed two women sitting on a bench, one very pregnant, shopping bags in hand &#8211; in the sliver of a moment i had formulated in my head identities and life paths for these two individuals of whom i know nothing &#8211; images of a heteronormative capitalist christmas was swirling in my head and i was about to continue on in, blind judgment in tow, until i heard one snippet of their conversation &#8220;&#8230;i&#8217;m effing pissed prop 8 passed, i just can&#8217;t believe it.&#8221; &#8211; &#8220;me too,&#8221; the other responded.  i felt embarrassed.  it was such an important reminder that couldn&#8217;t have come too soon for me &#8211; this struggle won&#8217;t be won by anger alone &#8211; though it definitely has its motivational forces when properly channeled.  now i have the job of transforming those feelings of betrayal into compassion and love &#8211; even for those who have yet to feel the same way towards me.  and hope.  after all, my peers (the younger voters) stood against prop 8 in resounding numbers &#8211; certainly reason enough to look forward &#8211; i&#8217;m looking as far to the day when we will join to fight for trans rights and those of homeless queer youth.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesbian Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lesbian Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here we go.  Buckle up.  And hey: MA &amp; CT?  Battle gear back on.

&quot;Christian Coalition of America Applauds Voters in California, Florida and Arizona for Abolishing Homosexual &#039;Marriages,&#039;&quot; thanks to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=AB455D290E780B4E60F3C262006F926D?diaryId=8036&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pam at The Blend&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Thus far, 30 states have outlawed homosexual &quot;marriages&quot; by an average close to 70% approval by voters through amendments to the state constitutions.  In addition, the voters in Arkansas yesterday approved a measure banning unmarried couples from serving as adoptive or foster parents. It will be the goal of Christian Coalition to ensure that the other 20 states adopt similar amendments banning homosexual &quot;marriages&quot; including the states of Massachusetts and Connecticut which also had two judicial decisions, by one vote margins, legalizing these abominations. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

At christiannewswire.com/news/273468592.html.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we go.  Buckle up.  And hey: MA &#038; CT?  Battle gear back on.</p>
<p>&#8220;Christian Coalition of America Applauds Voters in California, Florida and Arizona for Abolishing Homosexual &#8216;Marriages,&#8217;&#8221; thanks to <a href="http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=AB455D290E780B4E60F3C262006F926D?diaryId=8036" rel="nofollow">Pam at The Blend</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Thus far, 30 states have outlawed homosexual &#8220;marriages&#8221; by an average close to 70% approval by voters through amendments to the state constitutions.  In addition, the voters in Arkansas yesterday approved a measure banning unmarried couples from serving as adoptive or foster parents. It will be the goal of Christian Coalition to ensure that the other 20 states adopt similar amendments banning homosexual &#8220;marriages&#8221; including the states of Massachusetts and Connecticut which also had two judicial decisions, by one vote margins, legalizing these abominations. </p></blockquote>
<p>At christiannewswire.com/news/273468592.html.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesbian Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lesbian Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I know us readers will.

I want the Bay Area to secede.  Kinda joked about that in my previous several decades of life as a native-born Northern Californian.  Now am serious as a heart attack.

Not the kind of sentiment befitting a wannabe Bodhisattva, which is why I&#039;m trying to slowly sidle back into post-writing.  Will try to keep the spittle of venom to the comments.  And will &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whiskeyinmysippycup.com/ &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fill up the nearest sippy cup with whisky&lt;/a&gt; (for me!  for me!  only Ripple for the kids)  and watch for the sparks to come out of the computer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I know us readers will.</p>
<p>I want the Bay Area to secede.  Kinda joked about that in my previous several decades of life as a native-born Northern Californian.  Now am serious as a heart attack.</p>
<p>Not the kind of sentiment befitting a wannabe Bodhisattva, which is why I&#8217;m trying to slowly sidle back into post-writing.  Will try to keep the spittle of venom to the comments.  And will <a href="http://www.whiskeyinmysippycup.com/ " rel="nofollow">fill up the nearest sippy cup with whisky</a> (for me!  for me!  only Ripple for the kids)  and watch for the sparks to come out of the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me for telling you how to feel, but disappointment is when you hope to get Reese&#039;s pb cups in your halloween sack, and you get Reese&#039;s pieces instead.  This is flat out persecution.

And I totally plan on doing something about.  Post coming tomorrow.  Because, me?  I&#039;m not disappointed.  I am morally outraged.  I am seeing red.  I am angry in my bones.

They won&#039;t like me when I&#039;m angry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me for telling you how to feel, but disappointment is when you hope to get Reese&#8217;s pb cups in your halloween sack, and you get Reese&#8217;s pieces instead.  This is flat out persecution.</p>
<p>And I totally plan on doing something about.  Post coming tomorrow.  Because, me?  I&#8217;m not disappointed.  I am morally outraged.  I am seeing red.  I am angry in my bones.</p>
<p>They won&#8217;t like me when I&#8217;m angry.</p>
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