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		<title>By: LesbianDad</title>
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		<dc:creator>LesbianDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 08:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where would I be without you people.

I am breathing (a bit) easier after these many soothing (&#038;/or commiserating) words.  And waiting eagerly for &lt;i&gt;The Paper Bag Princess&lt;/i&gt; to wing its way to my local indie bookstore, and thence to my clammy little hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where would I be without you people.</p>
<p>I am breathing (a bit) easier after these many soothing (&#038;/or commiserating) words.  And waiting eagerly for <i>The Paper Bag Princess</i> to wing its way to my local indie bookstore, and thence to my clammy little hands.</p>
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		<title>By: Renata</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally? A thousand times over, I'd rather be Xena. Or to be Mighty Isis! I loved that half of that particular television hour.

But my 3-year-old daughter loves Cinderella. I cringed when she first glommed onto her. Then I realized, of all those dang Disney princesses, at least my daughter's adoring/emulating of the one with the most real wit, and who, unprovoked, evinces gratitude for the few good things in her life. Thankfully, so far my little one's not much interested in the other D-princesses. And she loves to dress up as Darth Vader just as much.

As parent to a boy and a girl, I've come to feel that discouraging either from gender-normed interests isn't much different than restricting their choices based on the same criteria. I am tickled when they go against those norms. But some of them seem to naturally fit the kids, too, as when our girlie takes to a Cinderella costume, or my son wants more Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comics.

I dislike Barbie and all she can represent. And yet. If either of my kids is totally jonesing for one, I hope I can let them explore the interest, then start conversations meant to guide them to question their assumptions, like why one thing is a "girl color" or a "boy's toy". I'd like to let my little monsters reject or accept things on their own terms. And also happily encourage them in balancing directions, as when our son wants to read Powerpuff Girls comics, too, or when our daughter chooses a big rubber snake as a souvenir from the zoo.

By the by, "The Paper Bag Princess" is an awesome one to throw into the reading mix! Friends of mine saw a story similar to kaygigi's unfold - my son and I had given it to the older of their two very-girly girls as a birthday present, because we both liked it much, and the recipient was initially quite incensed, according to her mother - "That's not how a princess story goes!" But eventually it shifted the wee gal's thinking, so I heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally? A thousand times over, I&#8217;d rather be Xena. Or to be Mighty Isis! I loved that half of that particular television hour.</p>
<p>But my 3-year-old daughter loves Cinderella. I cringed when she first glommed onto her. Then I realized, of all those dang Disney princesses, at least my daughter&#8217;s adoring/emulating of the one with the most real wit, and who, unprovoked, evinces gratitude for the few good things in her life. Thankfully, so far my little one&#8217;s not much interested in the other D-princesses. And she loves to dress up as Darth Vader just as much.</p>
<p>As parent to a boy and a girl, I&#8217;ve come to feel that discouraging either from gender-normed interests isn&#8217;t much different than restricting their choices based on the same criteria. I am tickled when they go against those norms. But some of them seem to naturally fit the kids, too, as when our girlie takes to a Cinderella costume, or my son wants more Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comics.</p>
<p>I dislike Barbie and all she can represent. And yet. If either of my kids is totally jonesing for one, I hope I can let them explore the interest, then start conversations meant to guide them to question their assumptions, like why one thing is a &#8220;girl color&#8221; or a &#8220;boy&#8217;s toy&#8221;. I&#8217;d like to let my little monsters reject or accept things on their own terms. And also happily encourage them in balancing directions, as when our son wants to read Powerpuff Girls comics, too, or when our daughter chooses a big rubber snake as a souvenir from the zoo.</p>
<p>By the by, &#8220;The Paper Bag Princess&#8221; is an awesome one to throw into the reading mix! Friends of mine saw a story similar to kaygigi&#8217;s unfold - my son and I had given it to the older of their two very-girly girls as a birthday present, because we both liked it much, and the recipient was initially quite incensed, according to her mother - &#8220;That&#8217;s not how a princess story goes!&#8221; But eventually it shifted the wee gal&#8217;s thinking, so I heard.</p>
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		<title>By: liferun</title>
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		<dc:creator>liferun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our household?  A Total Xena family.  Our youngest may be our girly-girl, but she says she'd take Xena any day over Cinderella.  

We love the kickass attitude, with a loyal side-kick and a need to do good.  Even if it means getting muddy and bloody.  heh.

Both girls had a short Barbie/Cinderella phase.  It didn't last long (thank goodness!).  We try very hard to show them that there's sooo much marketing which is fueled by the almighty dollar.

::sigh::</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our household?  A Total Xena family.  Our youngest may be our girly-girl, but she says she&#8217;d take Xena any day over Cinderella.  </p>
<p>We love the kickass attitude, with a loyal side-kick and a need to do good.  Even if it means getting muddy and bloody.  heh.</p>
<p>Both girls had a short Barbie/Cinderella phase.  It didn&#8217;t last long (thank goodness!).  We try very hard to show them that there&#8217;s sooo much marketing which is fueled by the almighty dollar.</p>
<p>::sigh::</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Ox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Ox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm now feeling slightly more hopeful that my own four-year-old pink unicorn barbie mermaid princess will turn a corner some day and embrace the tomboy femme I just KNOW is her true self.  Just like Mama, of course.

Hang in there, LD.  Princesses come and Barbies go, but Baba is forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m now feeling slightly more hopeful that my own four-year-old pink unicorn barbie mermaid princess will turn a corner some day and embrace the tomboy femme I just KNOW is her true self.  Just like Mama, of course.</p>
<p>Hang in there, LD.  Princesses come and Barbies go, but Baba is forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Xena, of course, because she has more fun, but also because she has a kickass sidekick that everyone forgets about. Gabrielle was always much more interesting to me than Xena was.

Our oldest (12 now) was deeply into dolls and girlie things, and still is somewhat. But she also plays ice hockey. I think (hope) they can find a healthy balance. I'm dreading puberty - I didn't do well with it on my turn through and really don't want to get into the complexities of makeup and hair and accessories. So far she's being practical, but I know it won't last. That's what my mom is for :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Xena, of course, because she has more fun, but also because she has a kickass sidekick that everyone forgets about. Gabrielle was always much more interesting to me than Xena was.</p>
<p>Our oldest (12 now) was deeply into dolls and girlie things, and still is somewhat. But she also plays ice hockey. I think (hope) they can find a healthy balance. I&#8217;m dreading puberty - I didn&#8217;t do well with it on my turn through and really don&#8217;t want to get into the complexities of makeup and hair and accessories. So far she&#8217;s being practical, but I know it won&#8217;t last. That&#8217;s what my mom is for <img src='http://www.lesbiandad.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Mid Life Clarity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mid Life Clarity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which princess would I rather do?  Opps you said be?

Glad I don't have to raise children - I suspect I might be grossly inept.

great blog!

janet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which princess would I rather do?  Opps you said be?</p>
<p>Glad I don&#8217;t have to raise children - I suspect I might be grossly inept.</p>
<p>great blog!</p>
<p>janet</p>
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		<title>By: Chumpy</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We share our house with a number of Barbies. 

Under 1's tutelage they were lovingly cared for, dressed and undressed, had their hair washed, cut(!) and dried. Keen big-sister-copier that he is, 2 is also a Barbie fan. His games are totally different but just as lovingly devoted. With him, they career around the house at full pelt, naked, matted hair crowned with the mandatory hair bobble, and splash water over the sides of the bath. 

Noisily so: perhaps the shrieking is Barbie, protesting her fate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We share our house with a number of Barbies. </p>
<p>Under 1&#8217;s tutelage they were lovingly cared for, dressed and undressed, had their hair washed, cut(!) and dried. Keen big-sister-copier that he is, 2 is also a Barbie fan. His games are totally different but just as lovingly devoted. With him, they career around the house at full pelt, naked, matted hair crowned with the mandatory hair bobble, and splash water over the sides of the bath. </p>
<p>Noisily so: perhaps the shrieking is Barbie, protesting her fate.</p>
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		<title>By: kaygigi</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was finally motivated to comment, though I've been reading LD ever since my partner (who is a tad more baby-crazy than I am) clued me in a couple of months ago.  
I never went through a Princess phase (though a Breyer horse phase?  oh yeah), but in anticipation and anxiety, my feminist leaning mother bought a couple of feminist leaning princess books in hopes to quell the phase, should it occur.  I can therefore heartily recommend two books: The Paper Bag Princess and Free to Be... You and Me.  They are both a little dated (clearly from the '70s and '80s) but the first chronicles a princess who has to rescue a prince in nothing but a paper bag, while the second includes the feminist parable Atalanta (among the other deliciously '70s feminist stories) that tells the story of another rather independent minded princess.  

I must also, however, relay a rather funny story related to The Paper Bag Princess.  My friend in my graduate program brought his five year old daughter into the department one day.  They had just come from visiting Santa and she proudly relayed that she had asked Santa for a Princess Barbie.  My friend was rolling his eyes at this suggestion and gently reminded her that Santa would maybe bring her a Princess, but Mommy and Daddy didn't allow Barbie.  He was clearly struggling with his daughter's princess obsession, so I began to relay the story of the Paper Bag Princess (from memory, gah).  At the end, my friend, who was clearly pleased with this feminist retelling of a common story, asked his daughter what she thought of the story.  She said she didn't like it because "princesses are supposed to be rescued by princes because girls are supposed to be rescued by boys."  This was a kid who at age three, told her father to stop "opwesting" her when he told her to stop throwing rocks at the department picnic... hopefully princess tales are easier to unlearn than Marxism.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was finally motivated to comment, though I&#8217;ve been reading LD ever since my partner (who is a tad more baby-crazy than I am) clued me in a couple of months ago.<br />
I never went through a Princess phase (though a Breyer horse phase?  oh yeah), but in anticipation and anxiety, my feminist leaning mother bought a couple of feminist leaning princess books in hopes to quell the phase, should it occur.  I can therefore heartily recommend two books: The Paper Bag Princess and Free to Be&#8230; You and Me.  They are both a little dated (clearly from the &#8217;70s and &#8217;80s) but the first chronicles a princess who has to rescue a prince in nothing but a paper bag, while the second includes the feminist parable Atalanta (among the other deliciously &#8217;70s feminist stories) that tells the story of another rather independent minded princess.  </p>
<p>I must also, however, relay a rather funny story related to The Paper Bag Princess.  My friend in my graduate program brought his five year old daughter into the department one day.  They had just come from visiting Santa and she proudly relayed that she had asked Santa for a Princess Barbie.  My friend was rolling his eyes at this suggestion and gently reminded her that Santa would maybe bring her a Princess, but Mommy and Daddy didn&#8217;t allow Barbie.  He was clearly struggling with his daughter&#8217;s princess obsession, so I began to relay the story of the Paper Bag Princess (from memory, gah).  At the end, my friend, who was clearly pleased with this feminist retelling of a common story, asked his daughter what she thought of the story.  She said she didn&#8217;t like it because &#8220;princesses are supposed to be rescued by princes because girls are supposed to be rescued by boys.&#8221;  This was a kid who at age three, told her father to stop &#8220;opwesting&#8221; her when he told her to stop throwing rocks at the department picnic&#8230; hopefully princess tales are easier to unlearn than Marxism.  <img src='http://www.lesbiandad.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Shereen</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh LD. I comfort myself with the (no doubt naive) thought that part of identifying the culture that resonates for you entails sampling the others. We generally learn from direct experience. And the lil monkey's chosen cultures are likely to differ at least a little bit from yours. But I believe wholeheartedly that exercises in analysis at a young age make all the difference. My dad did his homework in feminist children's books when I was born, and spent a lot of time breaking down the hidden gender messages in books as we read them. The result was that, while I spent some time craving some things just because they were the 'norm', I got over it. I found my way back to a sane centre from my travels in lala land. And the lil monkey will too. Guaranteed.
Oh, and don't underestimate the effect your relationship and roles is having on her understanding, too. After only a month and a half, our five-year-old is already changing her tune about princesses, and about what's 'girl stuff' and 'boy stuff', lessons she was being well indoctrinated with in her foster home. We still read the princess books she was given there. We just read the other books, too. It gives her an excellent chance to think about who's having more fun, I think. Especially when that's how we phrase it!
And remember, kids can smell your fear. Don't be afraid of the girlie princesses. They're not going to win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh LD. I comfort myself with the (no doubt naive) thought that part of identifying the culture that resonates for you entails sampling the others. We generally learn from direct experience. And the lil monkey&#8217;s chosen cultures are likely to differ at least a little bit from yours. But I believe wholeheartedly that exercises in analysis at a young age make all the difference. My dad did his homework in feminist children&#8217;s books when I was born, and spent a lot of time breaking down the hidden gender messages in books as we read them. The result was that, while I spent some time craving some things just because they were the &#8216;norm&#8217;, I got over it. I found my way back to a sane centre from my travels in lala land. And the lil monkey will too. Guaranteed.<br />
Oh, and don&#8217;t underestimate the effect your relationship and roles is having on her understanding, too. After only a month and a half, our five-year-old is already changing her tune about princesses, and about what&#8217;s &#8216;girl stuff&#8217; and &#8216;boy stuff&#8217;, lessons she was being well indoctrinated with in her foster home. We still read the princess books she was given there. We just read the other books, too. It gives her an excellent chance to think about who&#8217;s having more fun, I think. Especially when that&#8217;s how we phrase it!<br />
And remember, kids can smell your fear. Don&#8217;t be afraid of the girlie princesses. They&#8217;re not going to win.</p>
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		<title>By: ullalauridsen</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, this hairy-legged feminist colored her hair and taught her how to apply eye make-up. I haven't meddled with her choice of clothes since she was three years old, either. I firmly believe in her right to choose her own appearance. I'll comment if asked. 
I believe that might just be the attitude that will create a young woman who won't be told by anyone what to do or how to behave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, this hairy-legged feminist colored her hair and taught her how to apply eye make-up. I haven&#8217;t meddled with her choice of clothes since she was three years old, either. I firmly believe in her right to choose her own appearance. I&#8217;ll comment if asked.<br />
I believe that might just be the attitude that will create a young woman who won&#8217;t be told by anyone what to do or how to behave.</p>
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